"I can't believe Sen. Clinton would say anything that dumb."

The above quote was not spoken by Barack Obama, David Axelrod, John Kerry, or anyone remotely connected with the Obama campaign. It came from the mouth of Clinton supporter Charles Rangel of Brooklyn.

With just a few words in her desperation to save her failed campaign, Senator Clinton managed to make the statement that a) blacks are lazy and b) white working people are racist.

This woman who has spent a lifetime distinguishing herself with good work has managed, in just a few weeks time, to disgrace herself and her legacy. She has in the past two days been hammered by three of the most prominent, Democratic leaning, African-American columnists in the country, Bob Herbert of the New York Times, Derrick Jackson of the Boston Globe, and Eugene Robinson of the Washington Post.

Here are links to their writing:

Robinson: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con tent/article/2008/05/08/AR2008050802807. html

Lead paragraph: ""From the beginning, Hillary Clinton has campaigned as if the Democratic nomination were hers by divine right. That's why she is falling short -- and that's why she should be persuaded to quit now, rather than later, before her majestic sense of entitlement splits the party along racial lines."

Jackson: http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editor ial_opinion/oped/articles/2008/05/10/cli ntons_diminishing_of_black_voters/

Lead paragraph: "IN HER long, sad self-diminution to being merely a white candidate for subsegments of white people, Hillary Clinton claimed to USA Today this week, "I have a much broader base to build a winning coalition on." Clinton exploited an Associated Press poll to say how "Senator Obama's support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again and how whites in both states who had not completed college were supporting me . . . There's a pattern emerging here.""

Herbert: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/10/opinio n/10herbert.html?hp

Lead paragraph: "The Clintons have never understood how to exit the stage gracefully. Their repertoire has always been deficient in grace and class. So there was Hillary Clinton cold-bloodedly asserting to USA Today that she was the candidate favored by "hard-working Americans, white Americans," and that her opponent, Barack Obama, the black candidate, just can't cut it with that crowd."



Display:


Why? (2.00 / 5)

So many of us right now are trying to tone down the negativity that has pervaded this race over the last two months.  Why are you writing this now?  It's total crap and it changes nothing.


Linfar's co-blogger opposing John McCain
by psychodrew on Sat May 10, 2008 at 09:32:49 AM EST

Re: Why? (none / 0)

because the OBAMA camp is purging us


"Little Distractions Become Major Attractions" - How can you possibly win?
by ctmayor on Sat May 10, 2008 at 10:08:01 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Whose being purged? (2.00 / 2)

This Clintonista isn't going anywhere.


Linfar's co-blogger opposing John McCain
by psychodrew on Sat May 10, 2008 at 10:11:34 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Why? (none / 0)

Help me recall,
Is the "purging us" memo from the "Obama is Stalin" or "Obama is pansy" wing of the Hillary(is44) Clinton campaign? Lol.
McCainuire, The Wrath Of Not Enough Naps.
by catilinus on Sat May 10, 2008 at 12:17:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Comedy. Thanks. (none / 0)


My candidate lost fair and square. So did yours. Get over it and let's kick McSame's ass!
by RLMcCauley on Sat May 10, 2008 at 10:31:38 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Why? (none / 0)

This is a good diary. The truth needs to be exposed.


Hillary: "Her dishonesty is actually honest." -- yellowdem1129
by Kobi on Sat May 10, 2008 at 12:41:32 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Why? (none / 0)

Let's be very careful about those amongst us who have only one real purpose and that is to keep us divided. These republicans are all over the place now, because they know that their only hope to win is turn us against each other. We used to call them trolls. I think we still do.


Definition of a republican moderate---someone who want's only 50 years in Iraq.
by pollbuster on Sat May 10, 2008 at 02:54:42 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: "I can't believe Sen. Clinton would say (2.00 / 5)

Typical. Not surprised. Who gives a shit what they think. I know I don't. I for one am sick of hearing about how "evil" the Clintons are to the black community. That couldn't be farther from the truth. I know for one thing that I am sick of their negativity. Barack had his chance and decided to play the race card and now he's going to have to deal with that fallout with white blue collar voters. They aren't as dumb as the press like to opine.


by Iceblinkjm on Sat May 10, 2008 at 09:39:20 AM EST

Re: "I can't believe Sen. Clinton would say (1.14 / 7)

"I for one am sick of hearing about how "evil" the Clintons are to the black community. That couldn't be farther from the truth."

Why don't you let the black community decide that? Between South Carolina and North Carolina, Clinton's percentage among AAs fell from 35% to 7%.

It wasn't Obama that made a double reference to race in a single sentence. It's Clinton and her supporters that now keep focusing on the white whiteness of her hardworking white supporters.

It's Clinton and her supporters that chose to use Wright and Farrakhan against Obama -- you could have instead chosen to defend Obama against Republican attacks and thus boosted your numbers among AAs. The Clinton campaign instead chose to prefer the phobic vote rather than the AA vote.

The Clintons' choice, the Clintons' racial polarization, and the Clinton's own defeat.


by Aris Katsaris on Sat May 10, 2008 at 09:50:28 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: "I can't believe Sen. Clinton would say (none / 0)

That's how you would see things if you buy what the media has been pushing but I actually have a brain and have seen a vastly different story. Furthermore Obama sat in that church for twenty years and didn't seem to have a problem with Wright. It's not my place to do Obama's job. He handled the situation badly. Not I. I'll stop now before I make racially polarizing comments that are anything but racially polarizing. Figures like Wright and Farrakhan have no place in civil discourse or politics and that is one thing you libs don't understand. Wright just showed conservative america that they are right about a few things about the liberal movement. You can be as bigoted and hateful as they can be. Personally I find Wright and Farrakhan repugnant as leaders and not because they are black but for their own hate speech and prejudice.


by Iceblinkjm on Sat May 10, 2008 at 10:02:01 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: "I can't believe Sen. Clinton would say (2.00 / 1)

"That's how you would see things if you buy what the media has been pushing "

I'm not an American citizen. I don't live in America. I don't watch the American media. I'm deeply interested in American politics because America is right now the most significant nation in the world and what happens there affects us all.

I've been following these primaries solely through the Internet and mainly though MyDD -- and I chose MyDD rather than DailyKos exactly because it has a balance against Obama and thus I could get the views of the side that I was inclined against.

So, this European here who has been following news through the Internet and MyDD and isn't affected all by the American mainstream media, believes that it's been the Clintons that have been doing the racial polarization thing, not Obama.

"Figures like Wright and Farrakhan have no place in civil discourse or politics"

It wasn't Obama that brought up Farrakhan in interviews. It was Clinton.


by Aris Katsaris on Sat May 10, 2008 at 10:27:47 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: "I can't believe Sen. Clinton would say (none / 0)

I guessed you missed the memo. Guess your not that up on american politics as you would like to be. Also, exactly how many elected black officials are there in Europe? How many black folks are in the entertainment business? I don't see that many and judging by your earlier comments Europe is hardly one to talk. You have your own problems with race.


by Iceblinkjm on Sat May 10, 2008 at 10:36:15 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: "I can't believe Sen. Clinton would say (none / 0)

Irrelevant but telling.


My candidate lost fair and square. So did yours. Get over it and let's kick McSame's ass!
by RLMcCauley on Sat May 10, 2008 at 10:43:26 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: "I can't believe Sen. Clinton would say (none / 0)

"I guessed you missed the memo. Guess your not that up on american politics as you would like to be."

Just one post ago you hadn't even realized I wasn't American and you were thinking me as too influenced by American media.

"How many black folks are in the entertainment business?"

...wow. I guess black people's participation in the entertainment business is your view on how progressive racial relations are.

What does that question have to do with whether it was Hillary Clinton or not who racially polarized the race anyway?

"You have your own problems with race. "

That's true. But since most of Europe seems to support Obama, as most of the Europe was anti-War unlike Clinton -- if anything that's a further point to Obama's favour, that even a racially problematic Europe still prefers him to Clinton.


by Aris Katsaris on Sat May 10, 2008 at 10:47:03 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: "I can't believe Sen. Clinton would say (none / 0)

Like I said earlier you have your own problems. I unlike other "liberals" don't think Europe is all that great. You force your immigrants to live in ghettos, give them welfare and treat them like crap but have the nerve to call us out for our transgressions. Your countries enable theocratic regimes in it's purchase of their oil and this nation pays the price in treasure and our soldiers to enable your oil supply. Save it. Europe is as much to blame for the wrongs of the world as we are.


by Iceblinkjm on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:08:19 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: "I can't believe Sen. Clinton would say (none / 0)

I don't remember claiming to you that Europe was better than America. Certainly my country at least isn't.

But once again, I don't see how Europe's problems have anything to do with whether Hillary promoted racial polarization in the primaries.

But I doubt you have any point whatsoever anymore. Just bash me for my origin rather than argue on points.


by Aris Katsaris on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:15:02 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: "I can't believe Sen. Clinton would say (none / 0)

Wow!! You don't even know what country this person comes from yet you're quite ready to make generalizations about it. Studying at the Rumsfeld Institute for Diplomacy, are you?


by vermontprog on Sat May 10, 2008 at 01:07:07 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: "I can't believe Sen. Clinton would say (2.00 / 1)

Real interesting how you linked Obama with Wright, then Wright  with Farrakhan, even though Obama denounced Farrakhan soundly. So, with that GOP talking point, you lose all respect in my book.
Now, about Rev. Wright. You do realize that  there are white members in his church and his denomination (Church of Christ) is mostly white?
THat many white preachers across the country (including Mike Huckabee) have defended hin?>
And I would like for you go on youtube and show me where he  said anything racist against white people as a whole....

you think someobdy could preach hate for 20 years at one of the largest churches in CHicago, and we just hear about it now?

SHow your proof.


A PROUD Hopium user!
by xodus1914 on Sat May 10, 2008 at 10:48:25 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: "I can't believe Sen. Clinton would say (2.00 / 1)

Yes, reality has a well-known pro-Obama bias.  This can be countered by only believing things you learn from email forwarded to you by friends.


"I'll bite your legs off!" -- HRC 2008!
by username3 on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:32:45 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: "I can't believe Sen. Clinton would say (none / 0)

The Prison Industrial Complex thanks you for your support.


My candidate lost fair and square. So did yours. Get over it and let's kick McSame's ass!
by RLMcCauley on Sat May 10, 2008 at 10:17:56 AM EST
[ Parent ]

There is a very disturbing pattern (2.00 / 2)

beginning to emerge as Senator Obama gets closer to the nomination. That Senator Clinton won't fold her tent and go home is infuriating some of his more fanatic supporters and their lashing out reeks of "kicking a dog when it's down." Ever since last Tuesday and the meme of the day became, " Obama has won," the viciousness of the hate Hillary camp has increased daily in an almost exponential fashion. At first I was full alert, defensive posture, man the battle stations. Then I was angry, on the verge of letting a bunch of mouthy bloggers turn me off to Obama completely. Then I was feeling sorry for these people with their passions all in a tizzy. Now I'm simply amused. Go ahead, lash out. All you want. Get it out of your system. Hillary is still in it to win it. And because you can't deal with the fact that she won't succumb to the bullying and buy into the meme of the day, I get to look forward to the next idiotic diary. And the next. It will change nothing. I will gladly support Obama should he secure the nomination. But I'm so glad I didn't jump when I was being barraged with the, "it's over" parade." Now I get to witness how people who see themselves as the winner completely melt down and turn into tantrum throwing 5 year olds when they're told, "not yet." Pass the popcorn....


Obama supporter working to defeat McCain.
by Rumarhazzit on Sat May 10, 2008 at 10:02:39 AM EST

Re: There is a very disturbing pattern (none / 0)

Rangel is a fanatical Obama supporter?


My candidate lost fair and square. So did yours. Get over it and let's kick McSame's ass!
by RLMcCauley on Sat May 10, 2008 at 10:18:19 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: There is a very disturbing pattern (2.00 / 1)

I was referring to some of the diarists here.


Obama supporter working to defeat McCain.
by Rumarhazzit on Sat May 10, 2008 at 10:23:56 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: There is a very disturbing pattern (2.00 / 1)

So then it's not just fanatical Obama supporters who are calling her on her stuff. As that's the case maybe it's not just just a case of kicking her when she's down but that she actually screwed up big time.


My candidate lost fair and square. So did yours. Get over it and let's kick McSame's ass!
by RLMcCauley on Sat May 10, 2008 at 10:28:22 AM EST
[ Parent ]

There is nothing or no one that is going (none / 0)

to get you beyond what you have already made up your mind to believe. Let's just leave it at that. Good day...


Obama supporter working to defeat McCain.
by Rumarhazzit on Sat May 10, 2008 at 10:32:58 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: There is nothing or no one that is going (none / 0)

Nor any fact that will get you out of your bubble. Your circle is almost down to none.


My candidate lost fair and square. So did yours. Get over it and let's kick McSame's ass!
by RLMcCauley on Sat May 10, 2008 at 10:38:57 AM EST
[ Parent ]

We'll see about that Tuesday.... (none / 0)


Obama supporter working to defeat McCain.
by Rumarhazzit on Sat May 10, 2008 at 10:42:06 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: We'll see about that Tuesday.... (none / 0)

What's happening Tuesday?


My candidate lost fair and square. So did yours. Get over it and let's kick McSame's ass!
by RLMcCauley on Sat May 10, 2008 at 10:43:55 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: We'll see about that Tuesday.... (none / 0)

Obama will have his butt kicked in the WV primary.


by Falsehood on Sat May 10, 2008 at 10:55:56 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Definitely! And that will change the math how? (2.00 / 1)


My candidate lost fair and square. So did yours. Get over it and let's kick McSame's ass!
by RLMcCauley on Sat May 10, 2008 at 10:58:09 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Definitely! And that will change the math how? (none / 0)

I didn't say it will change the math, btu it won't look pretty - better to have him not declared now such that the embarrassment is less.


by Falsehood on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:24:19 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Definitely! And that will change the math how? (none / 0)

Eh. It'll make the media talk about Clinton's seemingly divisive words some more. That's about it. Russert or Matthew's will ask if her "southern strategy" worked and, if so, was it worth the damage to her legacy since it didn't change the math.


My candidate lost fair and square. So did yours. Get over it and let's kick McSame's ass!
by RLMcCauley on Sat May 10, 2008 at 05:50:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Tuesday doesn't matter (none / 0)

Nobody cares about Tuesday.  Hillary can win by 40 points and it won't matter.  It'll be like making a dramatic touchdown in the fourth quarter when you're already losing by 4 touchdowns, impressive in itself but irrelevant to the overall game.


by Gene In PA on Sat May 10, 2008 at 12:20:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Tuesday doesn't matter (none / 0)

6


by vermontprog on Sat May 10, 2008 at 01:08:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: There is a very disturbing pattern (1.50 / 2)

I have no problem with her staying in. But you explain to me how it helps the Democratic Party take the White House in the fall, when the losing candidate spends most of her time making racial, divisive remarks and damaging the eventual nominee, while the eventual nominee is trying to focus on the  Fall and the Republican nominee?
Is Hillary helping the Democratic Party by bloodying up Obama? Or is she trying to make sure he loses the GE so she can try in 2012?
THIS is why everybody is telling her to get out. Mike Huckabee is campaigning for McCain, because even though Mike Huckabee stayed in to the end, he didn't try to damage the Republican nominee.
A PROUD Hopium user!
by xodus1914 on Sat May 10, 2008 at 10:52:58 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: There is a very disturbing pattern (none / 0)

She'd never get close in 2012 so I hope that's not the devious plan.


My candidate lost fair and square. So did yours. Get over it and let's kick McSame's ass!
by RLMcCauley on Sat May 10, 2008 at 10:58:50 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: (2.00 / 4)

I'm so sick of hearing about the Clintons being racist. Hillary isn't winning the votes of black working class voters, she's winning the votes of white working class voters. Thats just a fact, she's lost ok so why do you want to continue smearing her?

Obama gets 90% of the black vote because he's the first viable AA candidate (and gives great speeches, great message etc), not because the Clintons are racists. The idea that the Clintons are nasty and dumb enough to start playing the race card just before the SC primary where over half the electorate was black doesn't make any sense to me. The Clintons 'playing the race card' has only helped Obama, it was the Obama campaign spinning that the Clintons were making racist statements. White racists were always going to vote for Hillary over Obama, she didn't need to play the race card to get their vote. It did help Obama to go from 70-30 AA support to 90-10 AA support, without it he wouldn't be ahead.

Because no one calling the Clintons racists can find any actually racist statements they try and twist statements. Like the LBJ comment which is only racist if you really really want it to be. The fairytale comment which wasn't racist unless you see racism every time the word fairytale is used in a political context. Now Hillary says hard working white Americans and thats racist??? Get real. Thats insane. Is it racist to say that Obama gets the support of hard working black Americans? No. Its just a statement about political demographics.

As for being the candiate of white people. Hillary won Latinos, Asians and Whites. Winning the vote of 3 out of 4 of the major ethnic groups, i'd say thats more post-racial than winning the overwhelming support of one.

I'm happy with Obama as the nominee, i think a black President is a great thing. I think he's a great candidate, will be a great President. But stop with all the insane Clinton hatred.


by liberalj on Sat May 10, 2008 at 10:07:58 AM EST

Re: (none / 0)

Where is your poll showing why Clinton lost the support from the AA community?


My candidate lost fair and square. So did yours. Get over it and let's kick McSame's ass!
by RLMcCauley on Sat May 10, 2008 at 10:18:57 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: (none / 0)

Not aware of any specific polls on the subject, but between the beginning of 2008 and the South Carolina primary Hillary lost a lot of black support. I think that was because Iowa showed white people were prepared to vote for a black man and because the Clintons were spun as playing the race card. Then the AA vote started to move totally to Obama.


by liberalj on Sat May 10, 2008 at 10:24:53 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: (none / 0)

You're just guessing then. I could easily say that the race-baiting comments of Shaheen started the flow away from Clinton.


My candidate lost fair and square. So did yours. Get over it and let's kick McSame's ass!
by RLMcCauley on Sat May 10, 2008 at 10:29:13 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: (none / 0)

Why the TR below.
Rangel is from Harlem.
Is there an issue here.
by parahammer on Sat May 10, 2008 at 10:31:55 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Because your comment is racist. (1.00 / 1)

Yes there's an issue. Rangel is a Clinton supporter.   Unlike what you appear to think "they" aren't all of one mind.


My candidate lost fair and square. So did yours. Get over it and let's kick McSame's ass!
by RLMcCauley on Sat May 10, 2008 at 10:37:56 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Because your comment is racist. (none / 0)

The diarist said Rangel was from Brooklyn.
I pointed out that he represents Harlem.
They racist is you with the "They" statement.
by parahammer on Sat May 10, 2008 at 10:41:36 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Because your comment is racist. (none / 0)

As I'm black you're wrong but I understand and will remove the TR. Sorry about that.


My candidate lost fair and square. So did yours. Get over it and let's kick McSame's ass!
by RLMcCauley on Sat May 10, 2008 at 10:42:18 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: (none / 0)

No, this was before Shaheen. The impression I got from the media was that an African American couldn't win, but once he showed that, he got his support, with the racial allegations building it up higher/faster.


by Falsehood on Sat May 10, 2008 at 10:57:46 AM EST
[ Parent ]

I don't recall the media citing any (none / 0)

research for their random refrains but Shaheen was in 2007.


My candidate lost fair and square. So did yours. Get over it and let's kick McSame's ass!
by RLMcCauley on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:01:19 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I don't recall the media citing any (none / 0)

Ah, thanks.


by Falsehood on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:24:45 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I don't recall the media citing any (none / 0)

I know that supporters have been tossing various allegations back  and forth but as early as mid january, when I was still an Edwards supporter, some in the press had already noticed a disturbing pattern. They wouldn't have been the only ones.


My candidate lost fair and square. So did yours. Get over it and let's kick McSame's ass!
by RLMcCauley on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:30:05 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I don't recall the media citing any (none / 0)

I'm going to diary on that at some point - it's worth exploring the past to see how the baggage came to be.


by Falsehood on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:34:15 AM EST
[ Parent ]

it's worth exploring the past (none / 0)

Definitely.


My candidate lost fair and square. So did yours. Get over it and let's kick McSame's ass!
by RLMcCauley on Sat May 10, 2008 at 05:50:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: (none / 0)

I have said this time and time again.  I don't think the Clinton's are racist.  But I do feel that they have made a couple of racially insensitive remarks during this campaign.  

The fairy tale remark was NOT one of them.  Donna Brazile was clearly speaking out of her ass on that one.

The MLK/LBJ remark has been hashed out over and over again.  I'll put it this way.  If you ask the average person who did more for the civil rights movement, LBJ or MLK?  Most people would not put them on equal footing.  Add to that equating what MLK did to just speeches but "it took a president to get it done" and you offend a community that holds MLK in very high regard.  Much higher regard than they hold LBJ, who was under intense pressure to pass the civil rights act.

You follow up that comment with a dismissal of Barack Obama's win in South Carolina by saying Jesse Jackson did the same thing in 1984 and 1988.  Hey, if he wanted to make a comparison of someone who won NC but lost the nomination he could have used John Edwards who did just that in 2004.  His tone and going back 20 years to compare Obama to the last black candidate offended a LOT of people.  I won't even go on to the shenanigans of his lying about how this occurred.

We'll skip Hillary's explanation on why Mississippi doesn't really count as a big state.

Finally we get this recent statement about "working, hard-working Americans, white Americans."  If you don't see how that is offensive, I can't help you.  The NY Times editorial page, who endorsed her by the way, called her out for a second time in one week because of this statement.  She was wrong, she may have misspoke, I await her apology and clarification.


by shalca on Sat May 10, 2008 at 01:08:27 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: (none / 0)

MLK himself said LBJ didn't do much of anything and that he was forced to do what he did by the movement.


My candidate lost fair and square. So did yours. Get over it and let's kick McSame's ass!
by RLMcCauley on Sat May 10, 2008 at 05:51:46 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: (none / 0)

The LBJ statement was historical fact, if you cannot accept that then you must see racism in places where it isn't around.

Missippi isn't a big state, again just a simple fact. Check how many ECVs it has, not many. It isn't a big state by any standard that makes sense.

There are some people who will see a non-racist statement as racist, they think they are fighting against racism but in reality their hysteria gives cover to real racists by making an issue out of nothing.


by liberalj on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:50:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: (none / 0)

Tell that to the host of African Americans who were offended by the statement.


by shalca on Sun May 11, 2008 at 01:45:53 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: (none / 0)

I have. Just because people were offended doesn't mean automatically that they were right to be offended.


by liberalj on Sun May 11, 2008 at 08:21:13 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: "I can't believe Charlie Rangel .... (none / 0)

didn't think through his comment just a little bit more also ....
Once again, when placed in the context of the rest of her remarks, it is clear that she is only stating a fact that is already out in the marketplace of ideas thanks to the incessant polling by numerous different outfits.
Contrast this to the similar episode in which Mr. Obama depersonalized an entire group of people as clinging to religion and guns.
If Clinton were organizing events exclusively for white male voters and attempting to shame them into voting for an African American THAT would be racist. I see no evidence of this activity.
by pan230oh on Sat May 10, 2008 at 10:13:55 AM EST

Re: "I can't believe Charlie Rangel .... (none / 0)

Obama misspoke, and it hurt him.  He had to apologize and he had to rephrase his statement.  Clinton should do the same.  We know she meant white-blue collar workers.  Phrasing it as "working, hard-working Americans, white Americans" is offensive, because it implies that non-whites are not working, hard-working, and may not be Americans.


by shalca on Sat May 10, 2008 at 01:15:19 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Rangel is from Harlem n/t (1.00 / 1)


by parahammer on Sat May 10, 2008 at 10:16:15 AM EST

What these foolish children on the internet (1.00 / 1)

don't realize is that they're clueless comments aren't what's going to be preserved in the record when the historical write up about the first black President is researched. It's the OP-EDs that will survive the test of time. Sen. Clinton has destroyed her legacy and there's nothing she can do about it.


My candidate lost fair and square. So did yours. Get over it and let's kick McSame's ass!
by RLMcCauley on Sat May 10, 2008 at 10:21:32 AM EST

Re: What these foolish children on the internet (none / 0)

*their clueless even


My candidate lost fair and square. So did yours. Get over it and let's kick McSame's ass!
by RLMcCauley on Sat May 10, 2008 at 10:21:57 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: What these foolish children on the internet (none / 0)

According to you. Maybe 'these foolish children' actually have the ability to take a more balanced view.


by liberalj on Sat May 10, 2008 at 10:31:48 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: What these foolish children on the internet (none / 0)

More balanced than who?


My candidate lost fair and square. So did yours. Get over it and let's kick McSame's ass!
by RLMcCauley on Sat May 10, 2008 at 10:32:48 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: "I can't believe Sen. (2.00 / 1)

For those who want to defend those remarks, let be it known that the NYT says today that "she regrets the remarks".
In other words, even she realizes how it sounded
by Benjaminomeara on Sat May 10, 2008 at 10:38:42 AM EST

wait it stupid (none / 0)

to state the obvious?

Obama has a white blue collar problem

NO SHIT!


vote blue in 2008
by sepulvedaj3 on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:15:45 AM EST

Re: wait it stupid (none / 0)

It's only a problem if you think they won't vote for him in the GE. These are Democrats we're talking about right?


My candidate lost fair and square. So did yours. Get over it and let's kick McSame's ass!
by RLMcCauley on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:35:31 AM EST
[ Parent ]

robinson is a racist (none / 0)

I guess I can't say that I'm a WHITE voter because I would be a racist.

Would your little feelings be hurt if I called myself a non-African American voter - am I allowed to say that?


by nikkid on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:28:13 AM EST

And once again ..... (none / 0)

we have folks taking a statement and twisting it to mean what they want it to mean rather than what was said.

We have folks now claiming that Hillary said blacks were lazy and blue collar whites are racist.

Sheesh, you folks just won't stop trying to be consistentily racially divisive, will you?

That's not what she said, you know it, and you are being totally and completely dishonest.

Keep it up. Democrats you need in the GE will decide to sit home on their hands.  Blackmail won't ensure our votes to your candidate.

Guess I might just be a 'typical white person', sans the 'white guilt' that is being played like a violin by some folks.


Hell's bells, even the GOP didn't have to crucify Eisenhower's record in order to make Reagan their 'saint'. We can have two great ones, you know?
by emsprater on Sat May 10, 2008 at 01:27:46 PM EST

One of the most ..... (2.00 / 1)

offensive photos I've seen on here to date, in so many ways.


Hell's bells, even the GOP didn't have to crucify Eisenhower's record in order to make Reagan their 'saint'. We can have two great ones, you know?
by emsprater on Sat May 10, 2008 at 01:30:03 PM EST

just go to dkos (none / 0)

what she said is true. stop whining. she is right and you are wrong. go to dkos: they will love you.
obama is the ethnic candidate with very weird base: blacks and kids.
Welcome to a Landslide without white Working class, Latinos, Women, Seniors and holding-on sweeties
by engels on Sat May 10, 2008 at 01:33:58 PM EST


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