MyDD :: After one week - Enough already!

After one week - Enough already!

by politicsmatters, Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 09:26:02 PM EST

Tomorrow night it will be one week since Barack Obama clinched the nomination.

A lot of us seem to have plenty of stuff to say about the nomination fight. And I admit that I've joined in, whether it was about tactics, policy, or even about what happened and by whom at this site.

One diary I've thought about writing is that the nomination contest was over once it was basically mathematically impossible for Clinton to overtake Obama in pledged delegates. While some kept saying that the superdelegates might do anything, as recent reporting had indicated, that just was never so. Unfortunately, there is a lot of unhappiness from people who thought the superdelegates might do so and they now say "the DNC" or "the party" gave it to Obama. Actually, the party did no such thing -- it just ratified the pledged delegate contest.

But enough about that.

What I've really written this diary to say is -- After tomorrow night, can we stop looking backward?

As Hillary Clinton said:

Every moment wasted looking back keeps us from moving forward.

So, will you join me tomorrow night to look forward - together?

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Please, politics... (2.00 / 7)

Don't aggravate anyone. Speaking as a Hillary supporter myself who's now 120% behind Barack, don't rub this in people's faces. many of my pro-Hillary friends are still grieving, and if we want them on board with us we need to be gracious, be thoughtful, and be loving. Open your arms and your heart... Don't form a fist.

Just my $0.02...

Help Clintonistas for Obama help Democrats win! :-)

by atdleft on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 09:29:13 PM EST

Re: Please, politics... (2.00 / 1)

My point is that We Should Stop talking about the nomination fight.

We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.

by politicsmatters on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 09:30:11 PM EST
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nope (1.90 / 11)

last I heard they actually vote on the nominee in Denver. ;-)

I didn't believe in god before the primaries and I still don't.

by NewHampster on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 09:31:47 PM EST
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Re: nope (2.00 / 5)

poor ltworf the troll trying to TR reality LOL

by trytobereal on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 09:55:06 PM EST
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Re: nope (2.00 / 1)

Good luck with that

Obama supporter who is damn glad Hillary Clinton is a Democrat!!

by hootie4170 on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 10:25:17 PM EST
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Re: nope (none / 0)

Hey Hampster, how's that McCain/Clinton Unity drive coming along?

http://www.partizane.com/?p=349

Unseen, in the background, Fate was quietly slipping the lead into the boxing glove.

by fogiv on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 11:27:17 PM EST
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Re: nope (2.00 / 1)

Wow. Just noticed that your up to a whopping 31 signatures on your petition.

(cue laugh track)

http://www.partizane.com/?page_id=348

Unseen, in the background, Fate was quietly slipping the lead into the boxing glove.

by fogiv on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 11:30:28 PM EST
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Re: Please, politics... (2.00 / 1)

yes, do please stop all this tripe

by trytobereal on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 09:52:37 PM EST
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Re: Please, politics... (2.00 / 8)

LOL - so you want to be the last to write about it? You want to dictate what can be written. Again, lol.

by Tolstoy on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 09:53:45 PM EST
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Re: Please, politics... (2.00 / 1)

It was meant for reasonable people

Obama supporter who is damn glad Hillary Clinton is a Democrat!!

by hootie4170 on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 10:25:49 PM EST
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Re: Please, politics... (2.00 / 2)

So we should stop posting things like this, or any of your other Clinton attack diaries, because you say we should stop talking about the nomination fight? The hypocrisy is stunning. If you had shown some respect to people here by actually responding to them when they made comments to you, maybe your diaries wouldn't provoke people to object to them. Maybe you should scrub your diaries entirely. This holding up the strap bit you do doesn't exactly come across as inspirational or motivational to people who still feel the lashes of the last 8 years. "We don't need no education. We don't need no thought control. No dark sarcasm in the classroom. Teachers, leave them kids alone" I don't know why that just popped into my head.

A test of leadership
by politicsmatters, Thu May 22, 2008 at 12:55:38 PM CST

"And she most certainly is not the best vp candidate. More than a majority of people in the country think she is not trustworthy and they see her as a highly negative figure. Most likely, she and Bill won't survive a full vetting. And she has said so many things about Obama that can't easily be walked back that this will be a continual thorn in his side.

by Jeter on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 02:31:56 AM EST
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Re: Please, politics... (none / 0)

I understand and support what you just said, but you need to accept that alot of us do have our arms open and we get sucker punched in the face.

If we keep our arms open we are accused of "fake unity"

Anyways, its a useless circle.

Atdleft, you are a great example of what Hillary would want of her supporters, please keep it up but realize that at some point we need to drop the HISTORY of the primary and move forward.

One week is a big mark in time when we only have 20 weeks left!

So hooray for unity and healing, lets get to work!

http://www.truepat.org/

by CrushTheGOP2008 on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 09:33:39 PM EST
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Re: Please, politics... (2.00 / 5)

your arms ore open? with the snarky smarmy insulting trollish way you have been posting? if you think that is 'open arms' then you do not have any idea what it means.

by trytobereal on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 09:54:04 PM EST
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Re: Please, politics... (none / 0)

My arms are still open, and your merry band of haters are more then welcome to keep punching.

Thats all you are doing.

I admitted what is true, we have a cycle here, and I am not playing into it anymore.

Say your crazy stuff, say this say that, whatever.

Democrats are standing stronger than they ever have before and thats all that matters.

http://www.truepat.org/

by CrushTheGOP2008 on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 12:40:47 PM EST
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Re: Please, politics... (none / 0)

I'd generally agree, but I can't see how we can let the smear that Obama stole the nomination or was "given it by the DNC" pass unchallenged.

At this point it's not about grieving or about space, it's about intentionally undermining the candidate with lies.

by Aris Katsaris on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 09:34:29 PM EST
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Obama won. Period. (2.00 / 1)

YOu're right. I was just having this conversation on another blog.

Any suggestion that Obama did not actually win the nominationis not only blatently false, it will hurt our chances in November, and should not be allowed to stand. We must loudly object whenever people try to perpetuate that lie. The Clintons' propaganda machine is the most effective in history, and this campaign proved the point.

Obama won the most states and the most pledged delegates, and at least tied the popular vote. He ended the campaign at least a dozen points ahead of Hillary among Dems across the country.

The DNC upheld the rules and the superdelegates endorsed the person who won the contest. There is no gray area here; Obama won.

"It's time to pass the baton to the next generation." Ken Jacobson, WA state senator.

by tibbs on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 10:54:57 PM EST
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Re: Obama won. Period. (1.50 / 2)

You know I was gonna let it pass with the Obama won crap, but nah, I can't take this crap anymore.

Obama won nothing. HE DOES NOT HAVE THE REQUIRED AMOUNT OF PLEDGED DELEGATES to clinch the nomination. Right now he is the presumtive nominee, until the convention when the UN-PLEDGED delegates sign-in and write down who they are for. So give me a break with this HE WON crap.

Obama lost more contests after March, lost the popular-vote and used the Rules committee to "hi-jack" 4 votes from another candidate in a contest he didn't even compete in while playing primary politics.

You guys keep it up, and keep on showing the need and desire to build party unity. The only one's right now who are displaying the "party unity my ass" syndrome is Obama folks who keep attempting to push this meme.

You can keep up the back-handed attempts at what you think is the way to a unified party, and the rest of us will take care of the Party business in Denver. M'Kay?

But keep up the player hating and you'll only have yourselves to thank for those that just don't vote for him. You can list hundreds of reasons that people should, but it only takes one (and even a half-hearted back hand) to lose a vote, and Obama is going to need every single one he can get.

You want to form up together, shut your pie holes and start substantive discussions on how to elect down-ticket DEM's and then maybe those that are feeling a little pissed-off right now will then coalese and possible vote in the Prez. election. Otherwise kiss it all good bye, and it won't be the fault of those who "couldn't get over it". It will be the fault of those who "just couldn't let it go, and continue to try and push people's buttons and rub salt in the wounds.

Your choice. Your responsiblity.

He that lives upon hope, will die fasting. -Ben Franklin

by TxDem08 on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 12:34:21 AM EST
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Re: Obama won. Period. (none / 0)

He lost more contests "after March"? Why, are you allowing such a stupid thing to even cross your lips? What the hell does March have to do with anything?

Yeah, I think you illustrate very well the denial of reality and twistedness of you and yours.

and used the Rules committee to "hi-jack" 4 votes

Clinton had zero votes in Michigan. Her supporters (like Harold Ickes) had unanimously voted for 100% disenfranchisement of Michigan. She herself stated clearly explicitly that the Michigan primary doesn't count for anything.

That they gave any votes to Clinton at all from Michigan, was changing the rules that she and her supporters themselves had made, after the fact.

But as I constantly discover, it's useless to expect gratitude from the deadender Clinton supporters. Give them an inch, and they'll cut off your foot. Give them a hand, they'll cut off your arm. Instead of accepting that the commission twisted the rules to offer a fair compromise and BENEFIT CLINTON (because if they followed the rules to the letter, they'd not give Clinton or Obama anything at all from those two states), you are furious that they supposedly didn't give you enough.

Well, even if they had seated EVERYTHING from those states, you'd still not have nearly enough delegates -- so where does that put you?

So basically, no I don't believe you. The reason you want us to "shut up", is to let your propaganda and smearing pass uncontested, not for any interest about electing Democrats.

by Aris Katsaris on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 04:18:22 AM EST
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Re: Obama won. Period. (none / 0)

First of all, March were the supposed "nail in the coffin" dates for Clinton. She won more contests than Obama starting with Texas and Ohio.
The only one denying reality is you.

EVERYONE on the RBC knew that MI & FL were going to have to count, once it went past Super Tuesday, and even more they knew that they were going to have to seat the delegation before the Convention, regardless of what Donna Brazile had to say.

My problem is with the Obama campaign moving to "steal" yes, STEAL votes in a contest they didnt' even contest. You want to count the votes, let the delegates for "Uncommitted" cast their votes at the Convention. And then on top of that to weasel 4-delegates away from one candidate and force them onto the tally of another who didn't even contest the Primary and was the biggest roadblock to any re-vote or reconciliation of the Primary results before going before the RBC, is the exact term. HI-JACK!

Your deadender comments show your true origins, and your neocon agenda. Love it or leave it. We'll you can leave it, or shove it-it doesn't matter to me. Your faux outrage and demagoguery of Clinton supporters is hillarious and quite O'Riely'ish, even if it's a complete fallacy.

Even with the totals of the MI & FL delegates breaking Clinton's way, the difference would have been less than 150 total. The supers which still have not voted would still be on the sidelines until August and the case would have to be made. Either way, Obama would not have the required amounts to clinch the nomination and neither would Hillary -- we would be letting the people decide. Not the party insiders or those who can feign the attack meme of crocodile tears.

Your propaganda and vitriol is what is responsible for most Clinton supporters having feelings of spite and un-willingness to join your kool-aid march. People like you will be responsible singly for handing the White House to the GOP and having to explain to young men why they are having to deploy overseas to Iraq and Afghanistan, still 8 years from now. Or having to explain to a young woman that NO, apparently because I continued to shoot my mouth off, and foster fraternal war because I was a jack-ass...an abortion is not your right any longer.

You want war between Democrats, keep it up and you'll witness a political civil war unlike any other, and America and our children will suffer. And the GOP will be sending YOU Christmas cards for the gift that kept on giving...or taking as the Republican's are concerned.

Keep it up, enjoy your trolling. I've got Democratic Party work to get done. Meanwhile, John McCain is on line 1 for ya....

He that lives upon hope, will die fasting. -Ben Franklin

by TxDem08 on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 04:25:20 PM EST
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Re: After one week - Enough already! (none / 0)

There are still a few PUMA trolls here that stir up trouble and resentment. The trolls I'm talking about are the ones that to this day still say the will/may vote McCain in the fall, and bash Obama at every chance. I'm not telling anyone how to run his site, but this place would be a lot more peaceful and productive if certain problems were cleaned up.

Ornithological Vaccinations and Aviary Heuristics

by OVAH on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 09:33:50 PM EST

Re: After one week - Enough already! (2.00 / 2)

I'm not sure what is the best strategy.

I know that outside of the blogosphere I often decide not to say things that I'm thinking. I am going to try to do the same thing here.

We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.

by politicsmatters on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 09:36:09 PM EST
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hi OVAH. (2.00 / 8)

with a suspect username, 7 whole comments and joining yesterday - i dont think you're in any position to both call anyone a troll and criticize mydd.

"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum

by canadian gal on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 09:40:25 PM EST
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Re: hi OVAH. (none / 0)

Wow. That was a little over the top CG.

Are you planning on supporting Obama in the fall? Why did you take offense to what I said?

Ornithological Vaccinations and Aviary Heuristics

by OVAH on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 10:07:15 PM EST
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Not over the top at all (2.00 / 5)

She makes a valid point. After one day here, you know who the trolls are and advocate 'cleaning up the problem'?

We still live in a Democracy. If you like the way Bush runs things so much, you're supporting the wrong candidate :)

by phoenixdreamz on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 10:21:24 PM EST
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Re: Not over the top at all (none / 0)

Ever here of lurking? Is lurking wrong? Was I wrong to say that people planning on vengence voting, and simultaneously bashing Obama, are trolling? I believe that's a move counter to the goals of this site.

Ornithological Vaccinations and Aviary Heuristics

by OVAH on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 10:31:27 PM EST
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I'm curious, how much is he paying you, one of (1.00 / 2)

his 400 paid bloggers to call for unity?

by suzieg on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 10:38:53 PM EST
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Re: I'm curious, how much is he paying you, one o (none / 0)

Where do I sign up? I need the cash.

Ornithological Vaccinations and Aviary Heuristics

by OVAH on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 10:41:51 PM EST
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Fail (2.00 / 2)

FAIL, suzieg.

Try again.

by JoeW on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 10:59:21 PM EST
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Re: hi OVAH. (2.00 / 1)

She's trying to control the media and it looks like she's trying to control this site as well...

Obama supporter who is damn glad Hillary Clinton is a Democrat!!

by hootie4170 on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 10:27:36 PM EST
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huh? (2.00 / 3)

"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum

by canadian gal on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 11:03:07 PM EST
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Re: hi OVAH. (2.00 / 5)

im not sure what you consider over the top. but i stand by my first comment and think that your username, comment and history do not place you out of possible troll territory yourself. so what does OVAH stand for?

"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum

by canadian gal on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 10:33:44 PM EST
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Ah, the gate keeper. (none / 0)

Why bite the new people? So I lurk. Why are you paranoid all the sudden?

Are you planning on supporting the candidate in the fall?

Ornithological Vaccinations and Aviary Heuristics

by OVAH on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 10:40:32 PM EST
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Re: hi OVAH. (none / 0)

Ornithological Vacinations and Aviary Heuristics

What the heck is wrong with that CG? Why the shakedown?

Are you planning on supporting Obama in the fall?

Ornithological Vaccinations and Aviary Heuristics

by OVAH on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 10:55:31 PM EST
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Re: hi OVAH. (none / 0)

Oops. Vaccinations. Veterinary term.

Ornithological Vaccinations and Aviary Heuristics

by OVAH on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 10:59:56 PM EST
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as you can tell my by my username... (2.00 / 2)

my 'support' is meaningless. that being said i have no problem with new people - welcome. what i do have a problem with is people (and im not saying you're one of them) pretending to be BO supporters and promoting disunity which i have seen here quite alot.

"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum

by canadian gal on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 11:01:19 PM EST
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Re: as you can tell my by my username... (none / 0)

Ah, got it. But it raises the question... What did you find so questionable about my post? Do you disagree that banning those that post false Obama smears would help make things less caustic here?

Should those that now do McCain's work be allowed to troll on a site dedicated to getting Democrats elected in the fall?

Ornithological Vaccinations and Aviary Heuristics

by OVAH on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 11:25:09 PM EST
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what i object to is.... (2.00 / 2)

that after 2 whole days here, you are complaining about the administering of this site while having a seemingly controversial username.

"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum

by canadian gal on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 11:39:48 PM EST
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Re: what i object to is.... (none / 0)

No one was complaining about the admin. I said that cleaning said issues up would help make discussions here less caustic. That is a true statement, and is not outside the stated goals of this site. It wasn't in anyway a judgement of how the site is run.

I'm trying to understand why my name is so controversial. Lets see. Urban dictionary...

1. Ovah
exceptional, incredible, great, outstanding, one of a kind.

That house is ovah!

Did you see the shoes Beyonce was wearing? Them shits were ovah!

2. Ovah

(n) 1. a pluralization of ovum.

Neither of those are acronyms. Care to fill me in?

Ornithological Vaccinations and Aviary Heuristics

by OVAH on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 12:15:46 AM EST
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Re: hi OVAH. (none / 0)

"Ornithological Vacinations and Aviary Heuristics"

right...

That would be Avian Heuristics if it were real at all.

by slynch on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 11:04:48 PM EST
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Re: hi OVAH. (none / 0)

No. AVIARY. As in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aviary

Sheesh. Learn teh google.

Ornithological Vaccinations and Aviary Heuristics

by OVAH on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 11:14:42 PM EST
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Re: hi OVAH. (2.00 / 1)

um, I'm saying "aviary" doesn't go with "heuristics." The word would be "avian."

by slynch on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 11:32:19 PM EST
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Re: hi OVAH. (none / 0)

Why? Is there a grammatical error I'm missing? Please tell me more about my line of work. Go on, I'm listening. I've got all night.

Ornithological Vaccinations and Aviary Heuristics

by OVAH on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 11:37:48 PM EST
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Re: hi OVAH. (2.00 / 2)

avian is an adjective. aviary is a noun. heuristics is a noun. adjectives precede nouns, not other nouns.

actually, I'd love to hear about your line of work. Exactly what is it?

by slynch on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 11:45:54 PM EST
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Re: hi OVAH. (2.00 / 1)

actually, I can see a case in which "aviary heuristics" might make sense. But, I'd like you to tell me about it.

by slynch on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 11:51:51 PM EST
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Re: hi OVAH. (2.00 / 1)

Glad to see you come around. As far as my line of work, let's just say that OVAH is one of about 10k acronyms within the endless power point presentations and studies I must endure each day.

Ornithological Vaccinations and Aviary Heuristics

by OVAH on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 12:02:59 AM EST
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Re: hi OVAH. (2.00 / 1)

the acronym doesn't make any sense. Can you describe what it means?

by slynch on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 12:07:54 AM EST
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Re: hi OVAH. (none / 0)

You might find something here. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&s a=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=res ult&cd=1&q=Ornithological+Vaccin ations+and+Aviary+Heuristics&spell=1

Ornithological Vaccinations and Aviary Heuristics

by OVAH on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 12:20:18 AM EST
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Re: hi OVAH. (2.00 / 1)

already did that. not helpful.

by slynch on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 01:04:52 AM EST
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Re: hi OVAH. (none / 0)

Here are a few more clues. Gypaetus barbatus, Gypohierax angolensis, Meloxicam. Go nuts. Palm nuts.

Ornithological Vaccinations and Aviary Heuristics

by OVAH on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 12:29:52 AM EST
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Re: hi OVAH. (2.00 / 1)

I can look stuff up on google, too. I asked you what the acronym meant.

by slynch on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 01:07:20 AM EST
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Re: hi OVAH. (none / 0)

That would be far too much personal info, as what I do is a specialized field. Let's just say I'm a vet.

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by OVAH on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 11:22:01 AM EST
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Re: hi OVAH. (none / 0)

you are too funny trying to come up with some alternate words to go with your acronym. But, I think you have failed at it.

by slynch on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 12:50:48 PM EST
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Re: hi OVAH. (none / 0)

OK.

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by OVAH on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 02:57:03 PM EST
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Re: After one week - Enough already! (2.00 / 1)

Nice Donna Brazile impersonation, but nah, I don't think so. It's a DEMOCRATIC site for a reason.

You don't like their comments, don't respond. You have to respond, do so with common sense.

He that lives upon hope, will die fasting. -Ben Franklin

by TxDem08 on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 12:36:11 AM EST
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Amazing (none / 0)

A totally calm, nonconfrontational appeal to peace is responded to with conflict.

Nice try, politicsmatters, but I guess they're not ready yet.

by DaveG on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 09:47:38 PM EST

Re: Amazing (2.00 / 5)

shouting "Enough Already" like dad threating to stop the car and come back there is hardly "calm".

by trytobereal on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 09:56:55 PM EST
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Re: Amazing (none / 0)

So, trytobereal, will you be following Hillary's urging and voting for the Democratic candidate in the fall?

by JoeW on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 11:00:23 PM EST
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It's been far more than a week (none / 0)

Hillary has been out of serious mathematical contention for months and everyone's known it but wouldn't admit it. This article from Slate detailed exactly how unlikely her win would be in early May and it was old news then. Even Bill said that it would be over if she didn't win Texas back in early March and she lost the delegate count there. Just because so many of her supporters had gotten themselves into a mass delusion that there was a plausible way to catch up to Obama's delegate count doesn't mean that we have to spend weeks re-hashing the primaries.

by Gene In PA on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 09:53:32 PM EST

LOL (2.00 / 2)

What does "enough already" mean? So now people should just be silent about the nomination process, even if they didn't agree with much of it? Can't agree with that.

by Chelsea in 2020 on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 10:07:26 PM EST

Re: LOL (none / 0)

Are you considering voting for McCain in the fall? Why is it that all you do is bash our nominee?

Ornithological Vaccinations and Aviary Heuristics

by OVAH on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 10:23:45 PM EST
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Re: After one week - Enough already! (2.00 / 2)

I really think we need to get a few things straight. First off, no one here is grieving because of the outcome of this primary. No one died. Someone lost an election, that is all. It is an exercise in democracy. In 1963 people were grieving, as they were again in 1968. People may be very disappointed today in how things have thus far worked out, but Thank God, no one is grieving. Stop it already.

Secondly, so what if someone has an opinion on how this election ended, and someone else has an opinion on when it really should have ended, and who cares if someone thinks they have the facts to backup any of these needless opinions. How could any of that, at this point, be relevant to anyone other than trolls? How does any of that serve the purpose of unity? How does any of it help Barack Obama in his struggle to win this election?

I agree totally with the diarist we have to put the primary behind us, and get on with the business of winning an election---enough already. I second the emotion.

Definition of a republican moderate---someone who want's only 50 years in Iraq.

by pollbuster on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 10:49:12 PM EST

Re: After one week - Enough already! (2.00 / 2)

grief doesn't require a death.

by slynch on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 10:58:31 PM EST
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Re: After one week - Enough already! (2.00 / 1)

Grief is defined as a deep and poignant distress caused by or as if by bereavement. And bereavement is defined as the state or fact of being bereaved; especially: the loss of a loved one by death.

But surely let's debate the meaning of grief, because certainly we need to grieve the loss of an election.

Union organizer Joe Hill before being executed for a murder he didn't commit was quoted as saying: "Don't mourn--organize. "We've sure come a long way from that time.

Definition of a republican moderate---someone who want's only 50 years in Iraq.

by pollbuster on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 11:16:54 PM EST
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Re: After one week - Enough already! (2.00 / 2)

from dictionary.com:

"keen mental suffering or distress over affliction or loss; sharp sorrow; painful regret. "

This was a significant loss, and many Clinton supporters are sorrowful. I don't think it is helpful for you to belittle their pain with a "get over it" comment claiming they're not grieving.

I don't want to have a debate with you over the meaning of grieving, but you brought it up.

by slynch on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 11:26:27 PM EST
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Re: After one week - Enough already! (2.00 / 1)

I was a Clinton supporter so don't accuse me of belittling their distress. I just don't think it reaches the level of grief.

Definition of a republican moderate---someone who want's only 50 years in Iraq.

by pollbuster on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 11:54:52 PM EST
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Re: After one week - Enough already! (none / 0)

and all I'm saying is that it isn't for you to decide what level their misery, pain, or whatever is at.

by slynch on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 12:03:03 AM EST
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Re: After one week - Enough already! (none / 0)

and all I'm saying is that it isn't for you to decide what level their misery, pain, or whatever is at.

by slynch on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 12:04:20 AM EST
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- Enough already! (2.00 / 3)

It's really bizarre observing women and some men, too, who're my mother and grandmother's age develop this kind of emotional attachment to a presidential candidate.

It makes me wonder what is lacking in their personal and professional lives that propel them to this level of hero worship for this person.
Its remarkable. And quite bizarre.

"Beauty, more than bitterness, makes the heart break." Sara Teasdale

by april34fff on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 10:54:08 PM EST

Re: - Enough already! (2.00 / 1)

which candidates' supporters are you referring to?

by slynch on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 10:59:15 PM EST
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hrc supporters

"Beauty, more than bitterness, makes the heart break." Sara Teasdale

by april34fff on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 11:05:06 PM EST
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hmm, because it seems that there are obsessed supporters on both sides.

by slynch on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 11:27:54 PM EST
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I'd say it effects the young at least as much as it effects the old.

"It's time to pass the baton to the next generation." Ken Jacobson, WA state senator.

by tibbs on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 11:06:12 PM EST
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-Enough already! (none / 0)

Yes, but many of the baby boomer and senior hrc crowd have made it blatantly clear their desire not to vote for Obama because of either some form of unhealthy emotional scarring from this nomination process; and/or an unhealthy fear of disturbing the status quo. Younger voters, mainly who support Obama, made it overwhelmingly clear the desire to support either candidate.

"Beauty, more than bitterness, makes the heart break." Sara Teasdale

by april34fff on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 11:17:35 PM EST
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not so. There were many many Obama supporters claiming they would not vote for Hillary if she were the nominee. That just died out once it became apparent she wasn't going to win.

by slynch on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 11:29:00 PM EST
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I think you're reaching here. Senator Clinton's supporters thought she was the best candidate, and so did Senator Obama's. Nothing is gained by trying to analyze people's motivations at this point.

by TinaH1963 on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 12:07:13 AM EST
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Give me a break. Considering the legions of worshipers of Obama, your comment strikes me as naive but expected,coming from you.

by Scotch on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 11:16:17 PM EST
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Okay, but what exactly (2.00 / 2)

fits under the (seemingly vast) category of "looking backward"? How about Clinton supporters writing their "come to Obama" diaries? A lot of those seem to be popping up, and I think they're great -- they're positive, and they set a great example for others. But technically, they still relate to the nomination contest. So when you stay we should stop looking back, are you including those sorts of diaries?

Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.

by sricki on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 10:56:19 PM EST

Re: Okay, but what exactly (none / 0)

I think those are fine; she's likely referring to (among others) the "Obama stole the nomination" diaries, the "I may or may not vote McCain" diaries, and the "X happened in the primaries, so I'll punish Obama with it by doing Y in the general" diaries.

should we go outside? / should we break some bread? / are you'nterested?

by Firewall on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 11:11:22 PM EST
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Ah, gotcha. (2.00 / 3)

Yeah, those diaries definitely need to stop.

Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.

by sricki on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 11:18:18 PM EST
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Re: Ah, gotcha. (2.00 / 2)

Absolutely they have to stop. we went thru all the states and territories in a race for delegates, and Obama won. Hillary recognizes it, and most of her supporters are increasingly recognizing it. No one stole anything.

Definition of a republican moderate---someone who want's only 50 years in Iraq.

by pollbuster on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 11:59:03 PM EST
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Re: After one week - Enough already! (2.00 / 2)

No.

by Scotch on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 11:14:15 PM EST

I'll just say this (2.00 / 1)

I found myself choking on Dr. Pepper when I read the recent Mark Penn op-ed in the NY Times regarding what went wrong with Hillary's campaign. Funny how it seems even more obvious after reading it that HE was what went wrong with her campaign.

by PD1769 on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 11:22:42 PM EST

I'm looking forward (2.00 / 1)

to hillary as pres.

by darwinism on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 12:47:54 AM EST

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While we're at it, can we also stop talking about the Vice President spot? Because that always seems to make us turn around and face backward again.

Now, about John McCain and George W. Bush, and how Obama has already started putting them together and pulling them apart... that's worth talking about.

"The world is a mess, and I just need to rule it." -- Dr. Horrible

by BobzCat on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 01:01:19 AM EST

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Yes, let's talk about McCain. There are so many things that many people do not know. For BSG fans:

"The Twelfth Cylon Revealed"
http://msa4.wordpress.com/

The implications may be enormous.....

Mitchell Aboulafia

by Mitchell A on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 03:37:33 AM EST
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Hospitals feel the heat (2.00 / 2)

Heat-related emergency room visits are up threefold compared with typical numbers this time of year.

3,000 New Yorkers visited the city's 40 cooling centers over the weekend as of noon Sunday.

Temperatures
Sunday    93
Monday    100
Tuesday    91

by Jeter on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 01:52:05 AM EST

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